Episode 3 of ‘Winning’: Leadership under pressure - lessons from General Sir Gordon Messenger KCB DSO* OBE DL

“Leadership is not about how you are. Leadership is about the effect you have on others.”

This reflection from General Sir Gordon Messenger, shared in episode 3 of ‘Winning’, offers a powerful lens through which to examine leadership in high-stakes environments, whether in military operations, public health crises, or corporate boardrooms.

Hosted by Rosenblatt Law’s founder, Ian Rosenblatt OBE, the conversation explores General Messenger’s journey from a Royal Marines recruit in 1983 to becoming the first Royal Marine in 50 years to be promoted to four-star rank. His career spans frontline command in Iraq, strategic leadership in Afghanistan, and a pivotal role in the UK’s Covid-19 community testing programme.

What emerges is a nuanced view of leadership: one grounded in trust and team cohesion. Authenticity also plays a key role though, as Sir Gordon explains, in moments of crisis, leaders must project certainty even when they feel uncertain. Strength, not self-disclosure, becomes the priority.

The conversation also touches on the challenges of transitioning from military to civilian leadership, and how principles like accountability, clarity and team culture can be carried across sectors. General Messenger’s reflections offer rare insight into what it takes to lead effectively when the stakes are high.

This episode offers a compelling perspective on leadership, trust, and resilience. Listen to episode 3 of ‘Winning’ here and remember to like, share and follow wherever you get your podcasts.